the_googly
07-23 12:48 PM
I posted this message on another thread and got slammed - :confused:. All the discussions here are just speculations.. no one really has access to real numbers.. so take it easy this time :p
As we do not have any real numbers my predictions are based on EB2 numbers from (assuming the data to be a true random sample)
Here are number of EB2-I I485 pending cases by year
2007-100
2006-150
2005-125
2004-200
2003-50 (250 have been approved)
USCIS has approved about 450 EB2-I cases last year. A conservative estimate of approval rate going forward would be 30 cases per month. Based on this the movement..
2003 cases will be approved by Sep '08
2004 cases by Apr '09
2005 cases by Sep '09
2006 cases by Dec '09
Good Luck !!!
As we do not have any real numbers my predictions are based on EB2 numbers from (assuming the data to be a true random sample)
Here are number of EB2-I I485 pending cases by year
2007-100
2006-150
2005-125
2004-200
2003-50 (250 have been approved)
USCIS has approved about 450 EB2-I cases last year. A conservative estimate of approval rate going forward would be 30 cases per month. Based on this the movement..
2003 cases will be approved by Sep '08
2004 cases by Apr '09
2005 cases by Sep '09
2006 cases by Dec '09
Good Luck !!!
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sunty
02-13 01:47 PM
After reading all these comments specially the one from walking_dude, I think its prudent of IV for engaging USCIS in a constructive way....Even though it is very frustrating for us now, it would be a mistake to cut all connections to USCIS by a lawsuit..
Lawsuit should be explored as a last resort for relief and I am for it..
There are a number of things:
1) A lawsuit cannot increase the GC visa numbers. Courts cannot change the law. The only relief we can seek through a lawsuit is to recapture the wasted visa numbers in the previous decade that amount to 218000.
2) No matter how angry and frustrated we are, we should keep our cool heads and contribute as much as we can to the letter campaign. This might achieve some results. If it happens, it will provide big immediate relief and help reduce the backlogs.
3) Lets see what's going on with the "Scaled down CIR type" bill House Dems are talking about, as mentioned my Greg Siskind etc. Hopes for this are low but no harm in hoping.
4) I do see the light at the end of the tunnel. Once the new President steps in(Democratic or Republican), full-blown CIR would be revived. For legal EB immigrants, it would overhaul the whole GC system, making it point based and would most probably include EB visa reacpture and visa increase. This might happen in early 2009.
5) With USCIS hiring 1500 employees and adjucators, processing times might improve.
This is the time even the lawsuit would take to get some relief, if at all.
So, let's be patient and keep the lawsuit option (if it possible) absolutely as a last resort.
Lawsuit should be explored as a last resort for relief and I am for it..
There are a number of things:
1) A lawsuit cannot increase the GC visa numbers. Courts cannot change the law. The only relief we can seek through a lawsuit is to recapture the wasted visa numbers in the previous decade that amount to 218000.
2) No matter how angry and frustrated we are, we should keep our cool heads and contribute as much as we can to the letter campaign. This might achieve some results. If it happens, it will provide big immediate relief and help reduce the backlogs.
3) Lets see what's going on with the "Scaled down CIR type" bill House Dems are talking about, as mentioned my Greg Siskind etc. Hopes for this are low but no harm in hoping.
4) I do see the light at the end of the tunnel. Once the new President steps in(Democratic or Republican), full-blown CIR would be revived. For legal EB immigrants, it would overhaul the whole GC system, making it point based and would most probably include EB visa reacpture and visa increase. This might happen in early 2009.
5) With USCIS hiring 1500 employees and adjucators, processing times might improve.
This is the time even the lawsuit would take to get some relief, if at all.
So, let's be patient and keep the lawsuit option (if it possible) absolutely as a last resort.
WantGCQuick
05-29 06:30 PM
Yes.. Please somebody knowledgeable lay out a plan to execute.
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rsharma
09-24 11:16 AM
Emailed All
:rolleyes: Whatever works :rolleyes:
matt_kelly@specter.senate.gov, <lisa_owings@specter.senate.gov BOUNCED
I think we should send a copies of these mails to the various Housing Agents and other Housing related agencies.
I thibk they also can use their lobbies to work for this proposal as this would be helpful to their business too.
:rolleyes: Whatever works :rolleyes:
matt_kelly@specter.senate.gov, <lisa_owings@specter.senate.gov BOUNCED
I think we should send a copies of these mails to the various Housing Agents and other Housing related agencies.
I thibk they also can use their lobbies to work for this proposal as this would be helpful to their business too.
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whoever
02-22 01:52 PM
whatamidoinghere, I am looking forward to hearing the statistics from you. When are you going to work on it? I
Jerrome
05-12 01:33 PM
Can I ask a question - tangential, maybe, but not by much. Why do Tamils have such a problem assimilating? Why don't they learn the local language and respect the local culture when they immigrate? Their motto seems to be "In Rome, be a Raman".
And the opposite is true when people speaking other languages settle in Tamil majority areas - they are, dare I say, forced to integrate, because that is the only way one can manage to live on a day-to-day basis. Would Tamils ever allow a non-Tamil minority to gain even a tiny foothold in their areas where the Tamil writ would not run? I doubt it.
Note that I am a firm believer of learning and respecting the local culture and integration. One does have a 'right' to propagate one's own language and culture, but they lose that right substantially when they emigrate to an alien land - whether it is within the same country or not.
To extend the logic, when we (mostly people of Indian origin in this group, I would assume) immigrate to the US, while we may try to conserve our heritage in private, we cannot impose it on the locals. That is when you end up creating ill-will against immigrants among the native population. America has been a great melting-pot, and has had great success assimilating great waves of immigrants from various countries including Italy, Ireland, Scandinavia, Germany etc, and the reason it succeeded was that in a couple of generations, there was total integration into the American culture. We owe it to our adopted country to do the same.
Don't bring this flavor to the discussions. Do you know 25% of population in Tamilnadu are telugu speaking people.
Previous CM(MGR) was a keralite, MS Jayalailtha is a kanadika, Superstar Rajinikanth is a Kanadika, Mr vijaykanth is a Andhraite.
It is true that tamilians have high respect for their culture and identity so as everyone in the world. Even now the jews practice their culture and language here, are they getting discriminated for doing that? The problem arises when anyone is discriminated for some reasons.
Tamils in SL were not emigrated they were there for past 2000 years or so.
And the opposite is true when people speaking other languages settle in Tamil majority areas - they are, dare I say, forced to integrate, because that is the only way one can manage to live on a day-to-day basis. Would Tamils ever allow a non-Tamil minority to gain even a tiny foothold in their areas where the Tamil writ would not run? I doubt it.
Note that I am a firm believer of learning and respecting the local culture and integration. One does have a 'right' to propagate one's own language and culture, but they lose that right substantially when they emigrate to an alien land - whether it is within the same country or not.
To extend the logic, when we (mostly people of Indian origin in this group, I would assume) immigrate to the US, while we may try to conserve our heritage in private, we cannot impose it on the locals. That is when you end up creating ill-will against immigrants among the native population. America has been a great melting-pot, and has had great success assimilating great waves of immigrants from various countries including Italy, Ireland, Scandinavia, Germany etc, and the reason it succeeded was that in a couple of generations, there was total integration into the American culture. We owe it to our adopted country to do the same.
Don't bring this flavor to the discussions. Do you know 25% of population in Tamilnadu are telugu speaking people.
Previous CM(MGR) was a keralite, MS Jayalailtha is a kanadika, Superstar Rajinikanth is a Kanadika, Mr vijaykanth is a Andhraite.
It is true that tamilians have high respect for their culture and identity so as everyone in the world. Even now the jews practice their culture and language here, are they getting discriminated for doing that? The problem arises when anyone is discriminated for some reasons.
Tamils in SL were not emigrated they were there for past 2000 years or so.
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sledge_hammer
02-04 10:30 AM
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http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_020207.html
There is already a thread that addresses this issue -
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3073
http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_020207.html
There is already a thread that addresses this issue -
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3073
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Ramba
07-17 12:24 PM
Yes, horizontal spill-over gives preference to EB Category. But the vertical spillover didnt promote diversity. It just ensured that the applicant with the oldest PD was allotted the first available spill-over visa number irrespective of his EB category or country of origin. This just ensured that someone doesnt wait too long. as you know, most of the vertical spillovers were consumed by EB3-India and china. Then, how can it promote diversity.
to make it simple, here is my understanding
Vertical spill over --> PD precedes EB category and Country of Origin
Horizontal spill over --> EB Category precedes PD and country of origin.
Thanks,
gcisadawg
Before AC21 law, both India and China gets only 3000 EB2 visas (7% of 40000). The remaining unused visas in EB2 goes to EB3 worldwide catagory, NOT TO EB3-India. After AC21 law, all the 40,000 EB2 visas are made available to EB2 catagory, irrespective of country of orgin. In either case EB3-I will get same 3000 visas. There is no difference for EB3-I, before and now. EB3-India will always get only 3000 visas per year till EB3-ROW become current.
to make it simple, here is my understanding
Vertical spill over --> PD precedes EB category and Country of Origin
Horizontal spill over --> EB Category precedes PD and country of origin.
Thanks,
gcisadawg
Before AC21 law, both India and China gets only 3000 EB2 visas (7% of 40000). The remaining unused visas in EB2 goes to EB3 worldwide catagory, NOT TO EB3-India. After AC21 law, all the 40,000 EB2 visas are made available to EB2 catagory, irrespective of country of orgin. In either case EB3-I will get same 3000 visas. There is no difference for EB3-I, before and now. EB3-India will always get only 3000 visas per year till EB3-ROW become current.
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_TrueFacts
09-04 10:57 AM
Mr. or Mrs, so called "TrueFacts", you must be ashamed of your own thoughts. On seeing this thread, you created a fake account and became a keyboard warrior. Why? What is your other avatar? Are you suffering from multiple personality syndrome?
....
RajSenthil,
Picking on me will not change the fact that YSR was a corrupt, factionist gunda, land grabber who has killed numerous people. If you have a point against that, say so.
I am providing links to that reason.
Why any one (pseudo or not) should have sympathy for the dead? Do you have sympathy for Saddam, Hitler? Facts are facts. YSR�s death has contributed to this discussion. It does not matter what my ID is, where I am and if I am Mr or Mrs.
....
RajSenthil,
Picking on me will not change the fact that YSR was a corrupt, factionist gunda, land grabber who has killed numerous people. If you have a point against that, say so.
I am providing links to that reason.
Why any one (pseudo or not) should have sympathy for the dead? Do you have sympathy for Saddam, Hitler? Facts are facts. YSR�s death has contributed to this discussion. It does not matter what my ID is, where I am and if I am Mr or Mrs.
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Michael chertoff
01-13 05:56 PM
Ahh my friend Ron if you are trying to get me to feel bad with your statement i guess no one cares for u.... then all i can say is Better Luck Next Time
I dont care if anyone cares for me or not peronally or w.r.t. what i have stated in this forum.
If people abuse that is their problem not mine. Sure i wil lfeel bad but it would be feeling bad for them not feel bad :P
If people do not agree with me that is also ok since that is their right
If people do not care for what i am saying that is also ok because the whle idea is that people on thsi forum start thinking about all options (Out of te box solutions)
And seriopusly my friend if my intention was to convert or sway a whole bunch of people (Which i have no Intention of doing) within a day that would not be much of a challenge right ? because nothing comes for free (read that as without effort) in this country. I believe that is one of the slogans of IV. And guys i just borrowed it so dont hit on me saying i am now using IV slogans for myself
Peace ...
My friend ..I care for you.
MC
I dont care if anyone cares for me or not peronally or w.r.t. what i have stated in this forum.
If people abuse that is their problem not mine. Sure i wil lfeel bad but it would be feeling bad for them not feel bad :P
If people do not agree with me that is also ok since that is their right
If people do not care for what i am saying that is also ok because the whle idea is that people on thsi forum start thinking about all options (Out of te box solutions)
And seriopusly my friend if my intention was to convert or sway a whole bunch of people (Which i have no Intention of doing) within a day that would not be much of a challenge right ? because nothing comes for free (read that as without effort) in this country. I believe that is one of the slogans of IV. And guys i just borrowed it so dont hit on me saying i am now using IV slogans for myself
Peace ...
My friend ..I care for you.
MC
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Circus123
02-14 01:03 PM
You are eligible to apply on the first business day of March 2008.( which is 1st ) until the last business day of March 2008 (Monday March 31st)I wouldn't wait for March end if I were you ...
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nonimmi
06-28 12:43 PM
This is what I'm doing. I'm flying to Nebraska service center friday night. Will put my shelter in front on PO box and will remain there until Monday morning. Once the USCIS guy comes up to pick up the mails, I'm just going to hand deliver my paper before he even opens his mail box.
Want to join me ;)
Go to NYC Apple store tonight, camp there and get iPhone tomorrow evening. You can spend your time in Nebraska more happliy!! :D
Want to join me ;)
Go to NYC Apple store tonight, camp there and get iPhone tomorrow evening. You can spend your time in Nebraska more happliy!! :D
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kanakabyraju
08-17 12:32 PM
Who cares about farmers. As per British, Indians are dogs and deep inside we are still dogs. We just bark at nothing. Otherwise this thread would have not started.
thanks
Kanaka
Let's look at the following news items
"If Pepsi is banned in India, I would go to the US and drink it� - SRK in 2006. This shows that SRK is nothing but a money minded freak who'll do anything for big bucks.
"SRK was cleared in 66 minutes, say US officials". This shows the true picture of the incident and whatever happened was routine and nothing was intended to single out SRK.
"I was questioned for two hours"- SRK. This shows the dishonesty and exaggeration of the incident, which the actor feels has hurt his ego. It's like "Mommy! US has pinched me OOOOO"
"I don't feel like stepping on American soil any more, but it is the love and affection of millions of his fans in the US which would bring him to this country again and again." - SRK. It's like "I don't feel like eating Ice-cream anymore. But since you all fans want me to eat it, I'm gonna eat it again and again"
"Cabinet minister suggested a "tit-for-tat" policy toward Americans traveling to India". This shows that we don't have any brains of our own and a "tit-for-tat" policy is intended more as a revenge rather than a matter of national security.
"Angry fans in the northern city of Allahabad shouted anti-U.S. slogans and burned an American flag." This shows the ignorance, illiteracy and hero worship that's rampant in India.
"India to take SRK detention issue strongly with US ". This shows that the govt. of India has got no better things to do, but feels that VIP treatment to movie stars is more important than nation's security. Moreover SRK visit to US was purely personal to promote his film and has got nothing to do with govt. of India.
"21 farmers end lives in 40 days in Andhra". Is anyone looking into this? Helooooo.
thanks
Kanaka
Let's look at the following news items
"If Pepsi is banned in India, I would go to the US and drink it� - SRK in 2006. This shows that SRK is nothing but a money minded freak who'll do anything for big bucks.
"SRK was cleared in 66 minutes, say US officials". This shows the true picture of the incident and whatever happened was routine and nothing was intended to single out SRK.
"I was questioned for two hours"- SRK. This shows the dishonesty and exaggeration of the incident, which the actor feels has hurt his ego. It's like "Mommy! US has pinched me OOOOO"
"I don't feel like stepping on American soil any more, but it is the love and affection of millions of his fans in the US which would bring him to this country again and again." - SRK. It's like "I don't feel like eating Ice-cream anymore. But since you all fans want me to eat it, I'm gonna eat it again and again"
"Cabinet minister suggested a "tit-for-tat" policy toward Americans traveling to India". This shows that we don't have any brains of our own and a "tit-for-tat" policy is intended more as a revenge rather than a matter of national security.
"Angry fans in the northern city of Allahabad shouted anti-U.S. slogans and burned an American flag." This shows the ignorance, illiteracy and hero worship that's rampant in India.
"India to take SRK detention issue strongly with US ". This shows that the govt. of India has got no better things to do, but feels that VIP treatment to movie stars is more important than nation's security. Moreover SRK visit to US was purely personal to promote his film and has got nothing to do with govt. of India.
"21 farmers end lives in 40 days in Andhra". Is anyone looking into this? Helooooo.
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chi_shark
01-25 03:06 PM
so you are saying your benefits are not worth $12000? Then whose mistake is it that you parted with it?
From the day I came to this country , I have spent around $12,000 on immigration including H1-Bs, filing GC, APs, EADs extra. Not to mention the traveling for visa stamps and whole other shit load of expenses. I guess most of people who paid for filing GC did spent same amount of money.
Hell ya, Some one got to be benefiting from my $12000.
From the day I came to this country , I have spent around $12,000 on immigration including H1-Bs, filing GC, APs, EADs extra. Not to mention the traveling for visa stamps and whole other shit load of expenses. I guess most of people who paid for filing GC did spent same amount of money.
Hell ya, Some one got to be benefiting from my $12000.
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furiouspride
07-21 03:28 PM
found this :D pretty much sums it up.
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_TrueFacts
09-03 10:11 PM
breddy2000,
You see YSR is in high point, as for you corruption, blood politics, mafia by him are no big deal and normal. What should I say? You are better fit to immigrate to Somalia, Afghanistan or Colombia.
Every one does that, is that a reason. You claim that you are not a supporter of any one. If that is the case then give due credit where required and criticize and condemn when it’s appropriate.
As posted by abracadabra102 YSR exactly fits for "No better friend, No worse enemy" and in due course he amassed illegal wealth, corruption and killings.
His death is the reason this thread is here, living or dead facts are facts and yes Good Riddance that he is no more.
Yes, will do whatever I can, humbly. In fact it is India’s citizens that are forcing these politicians to implement effective policy not the other way where people are living and enjoying an effective system.
You see YSR is in high point, as for you corruption, blood politics, mafia by him are no big deal and normal. What should I say? You are better fit to immigrate to Somalia, Afghanistan or Colombia.
Every one does that, is that a reason. You claim that you are not a supporter of any one. If that is the case then give due credit where required and criticize and condemn when it’s appropriate.
As posted by abracadabra102 YSR exactly fits for "No better friend, No worse enemy" and in due course he amassed illegal wealth, corruption and killings.
His death is the reason this thread is here, living or dead facts are facts and yes Good Riddance that he is no more.
Yes, will do whatever I can, humbly. In fact it is India’s citizens that are forcing these politicians to implement effective policy not the other way where people are living and enjoying an effective system.
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gopalkrishan
08-03 03:17 PM
Hi All,
First of all .. I am not an IBO or anything, but after being approached many a times, I decided to look up what the hell it was .. Attended a couple of their business meetings, researched and found out that upline groups like BWW had subverted the original business model..
Amway business model is that 1) you sell products to others you get the difference between the IBO price you get and the price you sell the product at... 2) Based on total volume you get a specific share.
In above model the share you get from volume is not major unless you have a lot of People under you. The main money comes from retailing the product.
BWW model: The uplines put a lot of pressure not only on getting the folks in, but stress the importance of books/cds, motivational products. They want you to have standing(recurring) order for books/cds and want you to pressure people under you to do that too .. The bulk "profit" comes from these. Amway has nothing to do with these books/cds. Amway has nothing to do with the seminars or business meetings, but your uplines push you to attend "as many meetings as possible" because profits from these also go to them .. Based on the consumption and volume of these additional items under you, a share of these profits may trickle down ..
When Uplines talk about making money they don't tell you that you are expected to do more than Amway model .. With Amway model, if you simply retail the products (NOT RECRUIT) then that should be enough (difference between IBO and retail price is YOURS).. People do buy stuff; couple of my friends have a repeat order with an Amway guy, for some vitamins sold through amway.. Anyways, Uplines force people to recruit so they have more people to target their motivational products to.
The red flag for me was (i may have misunderstood) .. The checks don't come directly to you .. Comes to top chain, they take their share and write out checks for lower down the line and so on and so forth (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG)..
Anyways .. Amway for me is a subverted business by corrupt people.. Big Lies and false promises :)
Cheers
First of all .. I am not an IBO or anything, but after being approached many a times, I decided to look up what the hell it was .. Attended a couple of their business meetings, researched and found out that upline groups like BWW had subverted the original business model..
Amway business model is that 1) you sell products to others you get the difference between the IBO price you get and the price you sell the product at... 2) Based on total volume you get a specific share.
In above model the share you get from volume is not major unless you have a lot of People under you. The main money comes from retailing the product.
BWW model: The uplines put a lot of pressure not only on getting the folks in, but stress the importance of books/cds, motivational products. They want you to have standing(recurring) order for books/cds and want you to pressure people under you to do that too .. The bulk "profit" comes from these. Amway has nothing to do with these books/cds. Amway has nothing to do with the seminars or business meetings, but your uplines push you to attend "as many meetings as possible" because profits from these also go to them .. Based on the consumption and volume of these additional items under you, a share of these profits may trickle down ..
When Uplines talk about making money they don't tell you that you are expected to do more than Amway model .. With Amway model, if you simply retail the products (NOT RECRUIT) then that should be enough (difference between IBO and retail price is YOURS).. People do buy stuff; couple of my friends have a repeat order with an Amway guy, for some vitamins sold through amway.. Anyways, Uplines force people to recruit so they have more people to target their motivational products to.
The red flag for me was (i may have misunderstood) .. The checks don't come directly to you .. Comes to top chain, they take their share and write out checks for lower down the line and so on and so forth (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG)..
Anyways .. Amway for me is a subverted business by corrupt people.. Big Lies and false promises :)
Cheers
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cbpds
01-13 06:11 PM
Will these rules apply for H1 re-stamping or is it just for H1 renewals only?
That seems to be the intention here..
That seems to be the intention here..
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485Mbe4001
06-01 02:26 PM
Generic lawsuits are not the answer. We should use the above information when we talk to the lawmakes and also use this as rebuttal to the anti's. Lets focus on recapture, venting is not going to help, lawsuits will only help make the lawyers richer(just look at the houses and cars of immigration lawyers ;))
SSA depends on different countries. People from Mexico and Sweden for example will not have this issue. India does not have a treaty with the US.
The only solution , to all our problems, is a LAWSUIT.
The earlier some one has the balls to do it , the better it is.
SSA depends on different countries. People from Mexico and Sweden for example will not have this issue. India does not have a treaty with the US.
The only solution , to all our problems, is a LAWSUIT.
The earlier some one has the balls to do it , the better it is.
Macaca
01-13 08:19 PM
people who work through consulting companies at client sites where the consulting company (employer/petitioner) only runs the employees payroll and has no control over an employee's day-to-day job responsibilities, are now deemed to be lacking an employer-employee relationship and hence may no longer get H1s (new or extensions).
This is done by the executive branch.
Matloff and Hira (via dustbin and grassley as part of curry bill) have been trying to do this legislatively.
Why are they still trying legislatively (as part of CIR 2010) if it can be done by USCIS?
Why wait so long? Is it Obama's gift? to curry?
This is done by the executive branch.
Matloff and Hira (via dustbin and grassley as part of curry bill) have been trying to do this legislatively.
Why are they still trying legislatively (as part of CIR 2010) if it can be done by USCIS?
Why wait so long? Is it Obama's gift? to curry?
maddipati1
02-13 12:11 PM
its been a while i read the forums..
well... well !! chandubhai finally cooled down and talking wisdom :-)
Thanks for all your wonderful help to the community - people like you inspire others.
Please do not misunderstand my response to your earlier post, I was in no way pointing fingers at you but was trying to clear common misconception that IV must not be looked at like a software company doing good or bad at shares.
Once again, I respect people's space - it will be great if all of us come together and make this a success
well... well !! chandubhai finally cooled down and talking wisdom :-)
Thanks for all your wonderful help to the community - people like you inspire others.
Please do not misunderstand my response to your earlier post, I was in no way pointing fingers at you but was trying to clear common misconception that IV must not be looked at like a software company doing good or bad at shares.
Once again, I respect people's space - it will be great if all of us come together and make this a success
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